basically a 9% price increase on every automobile sold in america. that would pretty much -- that would be the most destructive thing anyone could think of for the american automobile industry, isn't it? >> it's not just that. since there's no mention in cain's plan about any exemptions, we have to assume that if you go to the hospital and you have a $100,000 operation, you're going to have to pay $9,000 more on top of that. all food, all clothing, rent, would have to be covered. but i've heard him say at the same time, i didn't read this in his plan, i heard him say this, that used goods would somehow or other would be excluded. that's just going to make a massive complication of our whole consumption system and of course the national sales tax will be on top of state and local sales taxes. many people are going to be paying 20% at the checkout. >> so, for example, in the