surprising, unlike business. >> yeah. i think that's probably right. i think what you're seeing right now is basic competing philosophies. he believes the president brings more money into washington through stimulus we can create jobs. republicans say, free up money at the top to they call it job creators who then hire people and create jobs. these are two divergent philosophies on creating jobs being laid bare today. >> republicans win that argument every time. so long as they don't have candidates that drool out of the side of their mouth. but that's a big if. >> what are these job creators? maybe we can find out who they are later in the day. >> remember, if you say to yourself we're not going to tax anybody because they might be job creators then in order to get to our deficit you have to start cutting spending much more heavily and there are jobs out in that spending that are going to go away when you cut that. >> all right. coming up, we'll talk -- >> got to do both. >> got to do both. >> we're going to talk to author