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insurance. it's a fact. ron paul's own campaign manager we learned there was a piece this week he died from medical complications. did not have health insurance. had $400,000 in medical debt. it causes people to die to not have health insurance. it doesn't necessarily kill you right away but data shows us this is a very real thing. >> number one cause of bankruptcy in the country. >> and the idea that churches or charities is going to step is just not the case. in some cases they'll do what they can. in most cases they're not even going to be around. people are just going to die. >> the idea that you have a bake sale to help someone who is dying, that's not policy. i think what ron paul admits to is someone has to take care of them. >> he wants it to be charity. what i thought was interesting about the question which was clever from wolf blitzer. the scenario that he sketched out is exactly the justification for the individual mandate, right? that's the reason we have the

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