romney, you know what i would tell him to do, shut the hell up and don't say a word and let the crazies beat this guy up. >> that's what he's doing. as perry gets hit from the right and the left and from wherever else, romney can step back and just let it happen. and again, romney will be the guy who has the money who can just wait it out. >> and more and more people are turning to romney right now. they thought, maybe go to perry, but he doesn't -- >> doesn't have the goods. >> my old boss and i, dick durbin, were talking one day about newt gingrich. i said, what's up with this guy? and he said, jimmy, when a train's about to hit the wall, what do you do, and i said, i don't know. and he said, step back and watch it. you know what, i'm stepping back and watching rick perry, because they are going to beat him to smithereens and i'm going to laugh the whole way. >> but if he survives it -- >> if he survives it, i bet barack obama wins. >> isn't that a james bond movie or something? >> if he survives it, we can talk more about government injections. >> all right. >> i don't like the word "injections." i don't like it.