the rebels are great, you have political challenges, and divisions between the east and the west and ideological division among the rebels of the islamist and the nationalists and what the rebels need to do now is to create first and foremost a transparent and inclusive government in which all shades of opinion from the east, from the west tribal point of view and even loyalists who are fighting for gadhafi, of course, in the inner circle to convince libyans it is a new moment. it is a historic moment and moment fragmented with possibilities and the challenges facing the rebels are great, but deep in my heart, i believe they will rise up to the occasion and rebuild state and society in libya. >> let us hope that is posable. whereby the way do you believe that gadhafi is? we know that his with the sons are being held by the rebels, but we have no idea, and certainly the reporters on the ground don't have any