ceiling and cuts and another debt ceiling mechanism next year sometime. david, seems like the president is basically saying all i want, get this out of the way before the incomes election. in that interest i'll give you what you want, basically? >> the democrats, without, and republican. s have drawn a line in the sand. problem is, it's inside it's republican tent. it's basically up to the bedroom. saying, we'll given you cuts, and part of reid's plan is $1.2 trillion in defense and non-defense discretionary cuts. we don't know what the cuts will be. may be real cuts in real problems, that the president and other democrats care a lot about. they have basically yielded to republicans on a big conceptual linking, lifting the debt creeling to spending cuts and -- >> two things republicans still want. a dollar for dollar cut in spending to mamp a debt ceiling increase and a trigger mechanism for a balanced budget amendment. holding out ideologically.