thing michael. >> quick comment because then i got to break. >> one step back. independents look at this. they are not interested in the details like we are. all they see is washington not being able to get anything done. it is bad for both parties. >> of that mind said, my mantra is one of shared pain. if they can cobble together a video bb and i like express it this way, where everybody has skin in the game, then i think it is saleable. but with the impression the rich are getting a free ride or the defense department, i hear from people who are appalled by the idea we opened 750 plus bases and we keep going a at a time when we can ill afford p tp hold all of your thoughts. the panel is sticking with us. a break down on deficit talks and where we good from here. you are of course watching "hardball" only on msnbc. so me and my lads earned a trip to san francisco twice as fast! we get double miles every time we use our card... i'll take these two...