do you think the tea partiers in the house would vote to raise the debt ceiling or hold the line? >> i think they're going to hold the line. you know, we've got hundreds of billions of dollars in just simple waste and fraud in the government that nobody is even addressing. we have spending out of control. we have a debt crisis because we had a spending crisis. the politicians up in washington went on a spending spree that would put the"desperate housewives" of beverly hills to shame. >> you tell us the debt ceiling won't get raised? there isn't package the tea partiers would agree to unless ilts holding the line on the debt ceiling and we default on our bills. >> default is not all the makt. it's running up the limit on your credit cards. >> it wouldn't affect the credit? they say this will hurt the credit of the united states big-time, and it's going to hurt interest rates, unemployment