remember, george bush, dick cheney, rumsfeld set a date in iraq. it changed people's calculations. it's what we need to do. if we simply keep an american dependency of our troops being there to do everything for the afghans, we are never going to get out of there. senator and donny deutsche, what is the argument against instead of this year and 20,000 next year, we are out by 2014. why not 30,000 this year. why not speed it up, save lives and save money? >> part of the calculation is not who is waiting out whom. what is the long term prospect here of the koost the everybody. with the 2014 date, it's always been there now. it's sitting out there. i think the president honored