if they are splitting up that religious conservative vote, particularly in iowa, that makes things look a whole lot better, so i suspect hi's the one who will finance sarah palin's campaign. >> that's interesting. >> one person that dana didn't mention is tim pawlenty, and when you take a look back at tim pawlenty's record, he's actually an evangelical christian. we don't know this, but as we get closer to iowa, where this voting bloc will become much more important, we're going to learn about tim pawlenty's evangelical roots, and he could eventually be the alternative to romney, to bachmann. >> i've got to disagree with you, man. i think he's an alternative to absolutely nothing. >> hey, i think we're -- >> and if they both actually get in, and i know that's if, especially in regard to palin, pawlenty is done.