tracked those statistics. it's a fact water boarding was al qaeda's number one recruiting tool. >> moving forward, are you confident we are going to be able to take out al qaeda and use the moral high ground as president obama said his administration is going to do? i think it's really profoundly pointed out with the interview with brian williams and leon panetta, they are not lying about it. water boarding was used and some information came from it. moving forward, they are not going to do it. the american people want to know, what's the best thing to do? >> right. no interrogator who knows what they are talking about is not going to say torture doesn't