the end of the show, when i heard barack obama running for president, i said that's going to be a long shot. >> thank you. >> joe brown is one thing. a name like barack obama -- and then i listened and read part of his book. i said this is beautifully written. texture here. it's american. great writing and then i listen to his speeches, i was famous for having been taken with him but the fact is the guy grabbed me for what he was in the presentation. you met him and knew it would be great and doesn't surprise me of 700 on the college boards and other stuff but the accusation that there's a prima fascia that he doesn't worthy and he's african-american. that's the argument that donald trump is using. >> you got it. >> he wouldn't say it to anybody else that went to harvard. why would you assume -- there's no reason to assume this guy didn't have the right numbers except he's black. >> well, yeah. and the larger picture is the total effort to delegitimatize