debates over crumbs that affect the least politically represented and most vulnerable as opposed to seeing a politician address even -- at this point i don't care which one it is. >> i think you just gave us the answer. those people have political connections, those people who have psi yon of lobbyists, those people who make large campaign contributions are in fact the heads of large corporations, and are wealthy individuals. the parents who have kids in head start are people who need disability benefits from social security are families who are applying for pell grants. they don't have the power that the wealthy and the powerful have. the republicans are saying, look, that's the easy target, go after working families and lower income people and we'll leave the wealthy alone. >> senator, it's always a pleasure. thanks for the time this afternoon. bernie sanders, independent from vermont. i want to welcome jason.