you. what happens if the governor insists that the capitol police remove everybody in there and you're in there. are you willing to take handcuffs for this? >> well, i think our members without question are going to obey a lawful order. there is no question about that. i believe that cooler heads will prevail just as you saw over the weekend. governor walker originally intended to close the capitol friday afternoon. that didn't occur. they intended to throw people out yesterday evening. that didn't occur. and it's clear that when it comes down to it the law enforcement professionals are allowed to run the show and we are very thankful for that. >> okay. let's go back to friday. bob richardson isn't that insubordination not following through on an order to shut the capitol down and the police officers go in and join the protesters? what do you make of that? that is almost unheard of. >> i don't think it was insubordination because the final order to actually evacuate the capitol by using force was never given. at the last hour so to speak the