themselves and that we have not seen. we've seen a great amount of solidarity in areas that are under rebel control. as we drove through the highways about 300 miles from the border today, we saw many egyptians going in the opposite direction, these are people who work in libya and how refugees escaping the fighting here. we've seen protesters working with army units and even some protesters who have taken over heavy weapons that were in army hands before including apcs, that was being driven by demonstrators. so this is an armed rebellion against the government. that's the way it looks from where we are. >> so richard, tell us a little bit more about i guess the area, the amount of space, if you will, that's being crowed by these rebels at this point. give us perspective there. >> reporter: according to rebel leaders who we've spoken to extensively today, they control