the insanity defense. an insanity defense or not, jared loughner will never see the day of life again. it is just a matter of where he spends his dying days. and when his dying day comes if it comes at the hand of the government. >> if i'm not mistaken, there's no insanity defense in the state. >> well, they have guilty but insane. obviously, they are going to get locked up either way. it is guilty but insane, but then they have a commitment hearing and it is -- you know, you can only put a person in prison for so long. it is very difficult. after the attempt on ronald reagan, after the hinkley case, he was found not guilty on insanity. in 1984 they made it very difficult. i can tell you sure unless your client is barking and drooling, they won't get off on the insanity defense. there we go. >> very difficult for the insanity defense. very difficult. the attorney's job here is
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