down? so i think this is much ado about nothing. >> right. but, you know, in a general sense, you know, of course there are a lot of people out of work. but there is a psych that will repeats itself for ex-convicts, and that cycle has ripple effects across communities regardless of the unemployment rate. do you think the president's doing enough to address that? >> well, he has to do more. i think that he called for more funding for the second chances act. that's important. president bush, as you've just indicated, signed that. i think mr. obama, president obama, has to really take hold of this issue. the disparity between sentencing for powder cocaine and crack cocaine led to this three strikes and you're out under a democratic president or president clinton, and i think that under mr. holder, the attorney general, we've tried to address that and president obama, of course, has stood behind those efforts. but i think we have to be more aggressive. most people are in prison for nonviolent drug offenses who are in prison, especially in these african-american and poor communities. so it stands to reason that if you've got a person in jail who