procedure to do that we voted as a caucus today to keep the current version of this bill away from the floor. that mean it is will not reach the floor this year short of a discharge petition that never happens. the bill will not reach the floor in the current environment and not reach the floor under the current terms if there are substantial changes that is a different story. >> technically what pelosi said today, you guys passed your tax bill what we are going to seeker the senate is going to or not able to pass a tax bill if they do it will be a conference committee and what ends up in the house will be the conference report from that committee, which always involves some changes to accommodate each body. michael learner, you have written that we are at the point of the straw breaking the camel's back in terms of democratic support for barack obama. you seem to share much of what ralph nader has been saying about the president in terms of your sense of his performance in office and his disappointing performance in office and that