and you can increase the erosion rate. and you can make it so that the oil actually gets sucked in more by the tides. if you try to put rocks in the tidal passes and build berms across the tidal passes, you increase the flow of water. and the scientists know about these things. and they've not been consulted. >> you have experience in this governor's office. what's his motivation for building the berms and going ahead without adult supervision? is it just to have something to say, look, we did this or something more nefarious behind it? >> i won't say there's anything nefarious.รง what i will say is the people in south louisiana are desperate and they're anxious for a solution. a physical solution that sounds -- it sounds great. we're going to build a wall. that's a very comforting idea to those who are really desperate about their jobs and homes and the storms approaching this hurricane season.