founder of the christian group, wall builders, a man our next guest calls a christian nationalist pseudohistorian. he talks about the separation of church and state today is a distortion of what the founding fathers really wanted, which was for christianity to help co-governor the country. barton offers evidence for that hidden in the declaration of independence. now all of a sudden it's one of those on the back of the constitution and the picture of mona lisa stories. he cites the research of historian alice baldwin. >> there are 27 grievances in the declaration. the declaration starts with a 56-word phrase that gives the four principles of government. she went through all those things in the declarations and looked at all of these sermons she read. alice baldwin documented that every right set forth in the declaration of independence had