a christmas tree. and then they spoke on the phone where she offered to help him and he, and oprah asked him, help him how? his life. it did change his life. he had to drop out certainly of the presidential campaign not because of rielle hunter but because he came in third place in iowa, et cetera, but then we learn he was carrying on this extramarital affair for many years and fathered a 2-year-old child. truly it's a stunning series of event, chris. >> the interesting thing if our perspective is we were interviewing these folks all through this thing watching it through a glass darkly. let's go through the timeline. july 1st, 2007, edwards renew wedding vows publicly at a wendy's. they had a date for that, for their 30th anniversary. january 30th, 2008, etwards drops out of the race. the baby is born. august 8th, wait, edwards admits