or was that -- >> first of all, i think you're trying to raise divisive and inflammatory issues here. >> i'm trying to get to the bottom of what f.a.i.r. is. i'm not talking about the southern poverty law center, these are facts you can address independent of where you think i've sourced them from. is it true? >> you're not stating any facts that are accurate. if rick altman 20 years ago went to a panel on the ccc to talk about immigration policy, how can you impute to f.a.i.r. or rick altman the position of that organization, which trent lott and other senior politicians were senior members of? this is ahistorical. you're confusing facts, jumbling things up, trying to create something that's not there. >> were you the adviser and editorial adviser to a magazine called "the social contract" for a long time? >> yeah. >> "social contract" also set up by john tanton? yes. i'll say yes. the editor of the social contract is a man named wayne luten. he's also a regular contributor