illegal? is there a line somewhere between expressing it and trying to activate it in some sort of governmental fashion as was proposed in oklahoma? >> sedition, which is sort of the words, the thoughts, the evil plans, if you will, per se, are certainly not illegal, have not been in a long time. we've had sedition statutes in the past, they've been severely criticized. they're not a wise idea. but indeed where you cross the line is when you go from sedition to treason and that's putting them in place. >> and how does that interact -- we know that the idea of the militia, the state militia, is constitutional. it's in the constitution. it has never been amended out for any reason. what would cross the line and make a proposed militia illegal? >> well, indeed to use that militia to take on the federal government, that's of course what happened in the civil war. we've had sedition before, where it has become treasonous and