those four missing miners alive, even though, of course, the governor admits it was a horrific blast that happened more than 24 hours ago and that the odds are not with us. let me just focus in on one other thing that came up in this particular press conference, tamron. that is the report in the "new york times" this morning. in the past two months this mine, the upper big branch mine, has been evacuated three times for these high methane levels. that was a question that was posed to the governor. if this mine has been evacuated three times in the past month, these high methane levels, should it have perhaps been evacuated on monday? shouldn't there perhaps have been some red flags? what was doing on? >> i've spoken to experts that say this was known as a quote, unquote, gassy mine. you heard the governor very clearly say, look, if they stopped three times, you would have thought they would have