population. i would say though that this kind of strategy document is really not good for the republicans and really a step backward. i don't know why they would put it in these terms. i don't think it helps with, you know, getting us on -- you know, ahead of the game. >> is barack obama a socialist? i'm looking at the merriman dictionary definition. there are a couple definitions. "a system of society or group in which there is no private property." is that barack obama's philosophy? >> i don't think bernie sanders would think barack obama is a socialist. he is a socialist. he probably thinks that barack obama is too much of a centrist. i think that if you're on the right side of the thing, you might think taking over gm and taking over all these parts of the industry, the banking industry, the health care industry, that's a march towards socialism and that would concern you. but i think barack obama is left of center. i've said that to you before. i think bernie sanders is far left of center. and i think the country is -- >> who brought up bernie sanders? >> i did, because he's a socialist. he's the guy who says he's a socialist. so i'm trying to use him as a --