>> let's get to the news of the day. everybody's talking about this reconciliation method. the first question to you, republicans say this is really illegitimate in this scenario, because the democrats want to use it as kind of an end right now, because they do not have the 60 votes anymore for health care. has reconciliation been used in this way, when they didn't have the full 60 votes before? >> reconciliation has been used a lot. and i would never use the term illegitimate with regard to reconciliation. it was created in the 1974 congressional budget act. it was used the following year for a big tax cut bill that senator russell long was managing. and it has been used starting in 1980 for very large, major bills. and it is a way, of course, of getting around the problem of the senate filibuster. >> and some times used for nonbudgetary items, correct?