though? presumably, further anger from some, further denial from others. absolute determination to run their own candidates, anyway. they're hearing this message from the woman who got herself involved in their fabulous success in the new york 23rd congressional district, where they managed to get a democrat elected, right? >> yeah. no, they were able to play the spoiler role. and evening they can play that very, very well. they have a choice to make, i think. like i said, i don't think they're very effective electorally. the places where tea baggers have been considered successes for them, places like massachusetts' senate race, they were successful because they were a part of the broader coalition like club for growth and the tea party acted as ground troops for that. they're good at that, but on