and the idea that somehow or another they're going to pressure him to retire, this almost makes it impossible for him to retire early. it's ridiculous. what are they going to do, reward him with a speaking slot at the democratic national convention. if he doesn't retire, they're not going to invite him to the next squad meeting to have coffee with aoc? you know, the court has had -- members of the court have strongly held they're going to retire when they want to retire and they tend to surprise presidents when they do. i remember 2005 when out of the blue on the final day of the session, 2005 i believe it was, justice sandra day o'connor retired, gave no heads up, no discussion, no public pressure, she decided that was the reason she needed to leave and she did and the same will happen with justice briar. chris: susan, the stakes for this have clearly been heightened, one because of the death of ruth bader ginsburg and