seems that he's really winning over large segments of the american public. >> but it was going to be there for joe biden or so it looked like on the democratic side, and now, his lead is slip ping significantly. he's no longer a shoe-in, it seems. >> sure, absolutely not. prior to the first debate i think a lot of the conventional political wisdom was one debate performance can't really make a big difference particularly this early on in a presidential primary but what we saw is if you're looking at iowa for example, there's a poll out just this week or last week showing that biden slipped into third place and if biden cannot win iowa there's no way he can likely secure the nomination. >> and the harris campaign smells blood in the water? >> sure, sure, sure. the segregation comments that biden has brought us several times during these closed door fundraisers which are already controversial among the democratic base really presented an opportunity for harris to attack and now that he seems his