means they were not in court. so detention works. a consequence works. and so unless they will provide a solid address and they will show who they are without a doubt, they should be detained. >> tom: come through your reaction. isn't this a challenge? how many people are showing up for actual immigration hearings? >> gunther: we don't know how many are here just because they applied for asylum but this is the problem. this is bottleneck caused by donald trump. donald trump stopped the bond hearings and the power of the judges have to decide a case. this is what is happening. we have overcrowded jails and overcrowded systems. the judge said enough. we can fix this problem. the bond hearing, that is what we are going to do. there is no reason why we are holding a mother, father and child in a detention center waiting days and sometimes months for a bond hearing.