to do is try to draw russia back towards the west as it used to be in the 90s and try to isolate china. we shouldn't allow the chinese tail to wag everything. we need to remain focused on china. china is trying to organize countries to fight back against the world of open free trade and democracy that the united states protects. we want to split china and russia apart but mostly isolate china, now russia. >> shannon: how does it frame the conversation our president is having with chinese officials about trade, tariffs, all these very delicate conversations that are ongoing? >> john is right. china is the long-term player here and the real threat. i don't know i agree we ought to try to bring russia back in. russia has been a bad actor, putin is kgb. no chance he is an ally of the