counsel, absolutely got that because they wanted to investigate all of this. got robert mueller, who they went all over cable news saying he was the man, he was, you know, had great integrity, was going to see this thing through. he did it for two years, was given all the documents that he requested from the white house. so, chris, you know, just a final word on this and then i want to get to another aspect of this. i guess to some extent the white house looks at this and says, you know, when is enough enough? and can we move past this at any given point or is it just going to go on and on and on with more speensz and investigations? >> so, the white house doesn't get to choose what is reasonable oversight. that's not what the constitution prescribes. congress gets to choose that and it was okay and not privileged for him to testify before the special counsel. it's okay and not privilege for him to testify before congress. it's like the president. >> martha: so you think he is going to say something he didn't say already? >> he doesn't want to see -- he doesn't want the public to hear these things being said. that's because is he hiding