on fox, no affiliation or views of any of these issues, it's undeniable that trump is the most pro lgbt republican president to hold the office. the relevant judgment, i'll underscore, but it is true. so the folks want to say he's a hate mongerer and anti-lgbt, is that a characterization they're going to have to let go of? >> part of the problem is pence is in the picture an a lot of gay men i know have like attached trump to pence. where i don't think trump really cares about it all that much. it's on pence's plate. it somehow got put on trump's plate. i don't think trump feels that way at all. his mentor was a gay man. maybe not the best representative of a gay man, roy cohen, but i don't think trump really cares that much about it. i do feel that trump feels that -- i believe what he says about pete. i don't believe that trump is