training should have been given to all these pilots taking on this new model aircraft? >> there is a disagreement with that. boeing says it was in the manual. i would have to agree with them. test pilots and boeing company a reputation that's unparalleled. what came out later when the lion aircraft occurred they put out a directive reinforcing the training required for the pilots in this type of thing and what could occur. the aircraft going up and starts to increase its angle of attack more than normal heading towards a stall and this device now shoves the nose forward. now if you get a wrong situation that happened in lion air and that keeps on going down the pilots could not pull it off. >> sandra: we don't know if this is what brought the plane down. we're waiting for the outcome of the investigation. >> normally i wouldn't speculate too much. if i had to narrow down the dots and compare it to lion air i will go for speculation that's exactly what occurred. >> bill: lion air was in