people have pride. even if you're a citizen of north korea and you don't have the food of the technology, they are proud people. it's like the russians, i live in the soviet union, they are proud people. they have a proud history. they are not like us, they are different, you have to give people a graceful way out of a bad situation. even when it is a dictator. don't you all agree on that? >> they will need to save face. economic recovery, and even though we have a long way to go, i think we all need to be a little cautious. the koreans are emotional peopl people. i always imagine when you get these family reunions cooking between north and south korea, you want to talk about emotion, and emotion drives everything. >> laura: east and west berlin berlin. east, west berlin, the whole -- >> the thing you have to remember here, this is the opposite of the way diplomacy would teach at peered at the school of diplomacy, barry's