it doesn't matter, you know, despite the color of your skin or your sexual orientation we all have a unique experience. i don't know why we have gotten to pint now where we have decided that the experiences of heterosexual white men are unimportant and shouldn't be heard. it's interesting because the liberal left are the first to tell you black lives matter, something i agree with you about when conservatives say in return well all lives matters liberals will tell you oh, no, no, no. but black lives matter. it's very important that we hear about the black experience. why can't we occasionally talk about the white experience which is a unique experience just as well. >> martha: darrin, what can you say to that. >> i with only speak from a position of conjecture what it's like being a white male. that's something i can't understand. you would have a better understanding of that than me. the truth of the matter we do need to lend some credence to what a caucasian man deals with. it goes back to if we are going to have this discourse it needs to be calmly and effectively get the points across where we can both come -- come out with the