wide open areas that if illegals come in, you can actually apprehend them easily because it's so wide open. but then there are other areas like the wall we've been looking at in nancy pelosi's state separating tijuana from san diego where you have a very dense population, three million people on one side of the wall in tijuana, another three million on the other side of the wall in san diego. so what is your thoughts in terms of how much is needed for actual barrier on the southern border? and will you vote yes for wall creation and more wall extension of what we're seeing in this picture? >> so what i've tried to do is not draw any lines in the sand. i want to vote to have border protection, to have border security, to reduce the flow of drugs and even illegal immigration -- maria: but you've said part of that may include a barrier. >> sure. i wouldn't rule out barriers in places where that's appropriate. i think that's acceptable. but let's have the conversation in the context of committee hearings with the congress with
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