evolve he went from 5.7 billion down and vetoed that one back up. but now he's talking about this fence and look i ask people about this a lot. in 2006, the secure america act that democrats voted for 654 miles of walls here's the omb request for what the president wants. he only wants 250 -- 234 miles the president wants less than one-third of a steel barrier now why won't democrats in good faith and goodwill support one-third of what they voted for in 2006 which is not a wall, but this type of steel barrier in yuma where experts say it is most desperately needed. >> i appreciate the fair question and see what comes of the conference committee but i want to offer a context here because i think this has been hardest part of this debate. the challenge with -- discussion about the wall and way the president has historically talked about the wall, it's not just a wall. when he says wall it's a battle cry for much larger symbolic --