also with me is john, former fbi special agent. terry, should we as american citizens just kind of brush this off and say it's all above board, everybody checked the boxes and all of the right people approved it, is this normal? >> no, we shouldn't brush it off. all of those people that approved it, i hope if a couple of days are on their way out, looking for other jobs. let me tell you a story, it's the contrast between this story and the arrest of the un a bormer that put meat in what i'm trying to tell you. back on april 3, 1996, we had two fbi agents and national park forest service agent walk about a mile off of a road in the mountains of montana, approach the 10x12 wooden cabin, and knock on the door. no one was around them, there were no cars, no one else, they were there to arrest or take out