follows. "more men who cling to rigid use of metal unity, the likely they are to be depressed, disdainful, or lonely. here now is the host of the podcast "relatable" on itunes and dr. ed williams. great to have you both with us. let's start with you. in your interaction, do you find that traditionally traditionally men are more prone to depression and loneliness. this is an anecdotal point raised, is that what you have found? >> this has not been my subjective experience but i do not think that's objectively true, which is why the apa came out to say this is a small number of few men and we are talking about extreme, stereotypical behaviors. we are not talking about everyone that we still have these findings of social and