in two different states. jim mcdougal had cut a deal with ken starr, a shortened prison sentence on bank fraud charges in exchange for cooperating and implicating the clintons. susan mcdougal had refused to cooperate and was being held in criminal contempt. >> susan has got to get the all-time award for loyalty. >> still refusing to talk, susan was constantly shuttled between prisons. >> one of the things they do to weaken the resolve of people who are in for contempt is to move them to different prisons. >> they call it the diesel therapy. they put you on this diesel van, and they move you around, and you're in shackles and handcuffs and waist chains. it's meant to be a torture. >> it's amazing that she didn't crack under that. >> jim's time was supposed to be easier. after all, he had cooperated with prosecutors. >> sure. i'm going to go -- go through that gate and try my best to do exactly what these folks tell me to, and i'm going try to get along with everybody in there and hope to see y'all again.