he talked about civility and talked about tribal identity politics and how politics nowadays seems to be about hating something. or hating the enemy -- >> neil: what do you mean by that? >> neil: rather common problems. the criminal just if is reform bill was part of that. those examples are few and far between. there's more venom in politics. >> neil: and we've always been down there. go to washington and realize these guys that scream and yell at each other right at the microphones are slapping each other's backs and joking with each other. they don't loathe each other. it goes back to that notion a lot of this is just for theater and effect. >> and kat raise as good point. paul ryan has always been for something. he's not the guy that you point to when you look to be against something. he's always for something. he's for building a future that lasts. that have why he took on entitlement spending as his issue. >> neil: but republicans