crime. >> bret: and there is evidence of it. >> right. then it becomes much more serious because then you can have obstruction issues that are real ones. it's obstructing a crime. so the secondary crime could actually be more serious. >> bret: what the special counsel was told to do was get to the bottom of russia's interference in the 2016 election. in that russia section we see the beginnings but we don't see all the puzzle pieces here. >> the good news here as well in the sense that the thing that got my you a was that si certain guy synergy con. he was working on the moscow project. you can argue that cohen viewed this as all about the moscow project. he had a line going on there. didn't even pick up the phone essentially to call back this guy. if there was real collusion in a criminal sense some type of conspiracy, this sure doesn't look like it. phone calls that aren't followed up, suggestions that these two individuals