he is willing to use tariffs to bring the chinese to the table. and if that doesn't work, is he going to keep doing it until they bend. >> maria: maybe, but you know many people look at tariffs as a tax on the american people. so, when you have tariffs in place, does that necessarily mean that other countries are paying those tariffs but or at the end of the day it means it falls on the backs of american consumers? >> >> it's clearly a tax, maria, there is no question about it. we have to look at it this way. this is short-term pain for long-term gain. president trump is the only one who has actually taken china on. it wasn't going to be easy. it is not going to be easy. we have to stay the course. >> maria: that's true, maddy, these are real structural issues we are talking about. >> of course. >> maria: whether or not china is going to make a change in terms of stealing intellectual property, forcing the technology transfer. how do you see it? >> i absolutely agree that this is a pervasive issue that the trump administration has been willing to take on when no one else has. however, i think it's a mistake to read this as just a response to a trump tweet. what this is right now is