if they had somebody to protect somebody-- now, is it a shame you have to think that way, and it's a shame that we have to think of that inside after temple or inside after church, but certainly the results might have been far better. >> and i'd like to follow up. do you think that every church and synagogue should have armed guards? >> i hate to think of it that way so we'll see you-- certainly an option, i mean, a world with a lot of problems and it has been a world with a lot of problems for many years. many, many years, you could say frankly many centuries, but definitely you want protection and they didn't have any protection, they had a maniac walk in and they didn't have any protection. so that's so sad to see, so sad to see. the results could have been much better. it's a very, very difficult