recommended, of all people, look at the things we've told our audience she said about paula jones, defended al franken. that person's not consistent on this issue. she's as inconsistent -- this is political for her. we have a tape of her resisting. victoria? >> i was waiting for the tape, sean. listen, there's another scenario thisn, there's another scenario issue. here is the scenario that i think maybe she was lying. maybe dr. ford was saying, i'm so surprised. so surprised. i cannot imagine either one of these lawyers violating the rules so drastically that they didn't show her two letters and one e-mail and say that the grassley people would come out to california? so we need to find out. one of the questions i want the fbi to ask is whether anyone told her that the committee was willing to come out and interview her in california.