cheddar, period. why is that harming animals to eat dairy? i don't understand that. >> in order for a cow to produce milk she has to have a baby and the babies are taken away at birth and in some cases they are raised to become veal. a male calf born on the dairy farm, they are useless so they are actually raised to become veal calves. so they have it pretty rough and when they are no longer profitable on the dairy they are sent to slaughter and h usually killed about three or four years old. >> tucker: veal is a separate question. you could humanely milk a cow. it's not abuse to milk the cow. but also with an emphasis thing. so china has an entire festival dedicated to murdering dogs. i think a reason to institute sanctions against china at very least but no one ever says anything about it because they are hassling tyson chicken. let's start with the chinese, no? >> i agree that what happens to dogs in china is horrible. but a chinese company now owns the huge pork industry -- i