information -- and particularly giving money to somebody. giving money to somebody for something of value is over the limit. >> tucker: no it's not. >> it is. >> tucker: what you just said is factually untrue. if i run for office -- let me finish my sentence. if i run for office i do not relinquish my right to make money. if i mow your lawn and i'm running for the senate and you pay me for that, that's not a campaign contribution.nn not all money a candidate takes is it a campaign contribution. how is a payment to an old girlfriend a campaign contribution? it's not. how? 15 seconds, explain it. >> michael cohen paid that money to avoid the embarrassment the last stage of the campaign. at the direction of the candidate if that's true. and if that happens that is a o campaign finance violation. and it is particularly egregious if the candidate himself directed it. >> tucker: but of course he