yesterday he told one of them to stop -- talking about this loan that men afford never got and move on to one that he actually did. i'm all in favor of being disrespectful to judges because i think americans are too deferential to judges, generally, but in this case the prosecution is showing its anger with the way the judge has conducted this trial. >> you don't often see federal judges come down hard on federal prosecutors it's generally the other way around. the prosecutors are in front of the same judges day after day but this judges known to be this way. he's called himself the caesar of his own small roma. i don't think it's unexpected behavior from judge ellis but it's unusual compared to other cases. >> mark: mark penn was on earlier and he made the point that we all know whatever the state of paul manafort's taxes,