as vigorous back and forth argument about substance and ideas that, is the opposite of catcalling, that's showing respect for her positions, however wrong-headed they may be, he said i seriously want to engage you. who's right, who's wrong, let's battle ideas. that is the an advertise sis of cat calling. >> we've seen ocasio kor tedz, saying funeral costs could be saved with medicare for all man. doesn't that come down to leftists never want to engage in ideas and debate, they want to say what they have to say and shut up the other side? >> sure, when we've seen her pressed in the slightest by margaret hoover and trevor noah, she was incapable and unable to defend her policy positions and wasn't able to basically defend them, period. she doesn't want to debate ben shapiro or you, you would eviscerate her. i don't blame her for not having that conversation. she said that the request was